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as much as I’m not fond of twilight this isn’t a very good argument. the garlic association with vampires has always been pretty iffy. in some places they’re also repelled by lemons and apparently if you throw a handful of beans on the floor they’ll be forced to count them. at some point they were walking decrepit corpses that cant even PRETEND to be human. in some stories they steal life force rather than blood. Vampire myth changes a lot over the years and people can interpret and change them however they want. Vampires sparkling is not really whats wrong with twilight…

Agreeging with Aisha. 

This argument presented is all about targeting Stephenie Meyer’s creativity and how she didn’t ‘do vampires right.’ First off, it’s fiction and fiction can be whatever it wants to be. Second off, VAMPIRES AND FICTION, and people’s interpretations of them vary and that is perfectly acceptable. I know of plenty vampires novels where they are not repelled by garlic, or even dead for that matter. It’s up to the author to take an old myth and re’vamp’ it the way they choose. Arguments like these are close minded and imply everyone should just stick to the classical, and apparently ONLY way to interpret something. 

THIS THIS THIS

So many people jump on the vampire mythology ~inaccuracies~, when half of the fun of reading stuff based on mythology/myths is seeing how the author reworked it and added new things.

PLUS if you wanna get technical

Almost every recent zombie movie can be “debunked” and argued that it’s “ruining the reputation” of zombies and the threat of a zombie apocalypse.

1. “ZOMBIES AREN’T SUPPOSED TO RUN!” Zombies are dead too, just as dead as vampires. Zombies are basically decaying, decomposing human bodies, which would make it nearly impossible for them to run as fast as they do in the recent zombie movies.

2. Everything that exists could kill them. Flies can lay eggs in them, maggots hatch and eat the dead tissue. Every animal (dogs, wolves, bears, etc) would find them an easy meal, especially lions, tigers, rhinos, etc. 

3. Temperatures at any extreme would fuck them over. Dead flesh can’t survive in enviroments that are too hot or too cold. Living humans can because our bodies are constantly working to maintain homeostasis, but once we die we start decaying. Ever seen an episode of CSI where they find a dead body that’s been left out in the sun for days? Not a pretty picture. Heat speeds the growth of bacteria, and the gases in bacteria will make the zombies bloat, and eventually they’ll explode like a Boomer in Left 4 Dead. In dry heat, they would mummify from all the cell damage.

The cold would freeze them, like sticking a slab of uncooked steak or a pound of hamburger in your freezer. Since the human body is mostly water, they would freeze, since they’re not going to be protected against the cold like a frozen steak would be, wrapped in an airtight plastic bag.

4. The enviroment itself is filled with obstacles for zombies, like canyons, mountains, bridges, and rivers. Zombies are more apt to fall off of cliffs than repopulate. 

5. A zombie’s source of food and reproduction is also their top predator. That’s like us having to fight a lion or bear every time we wanted to eat or have sex. And humans have guns. And baseball bats, and crowbars, and cars, and military, and police with super-awesome weapons of their own. 

6. Zombies aren’t supposed to run because (iirc) The Night of the Living Dead used them as metaphors for death. Basically, no matter how fast you run, death will always catch up to you, even in its slow shamble. Kinda defeats the power of that message when the zombies can run just as fast as a Olympic sprinter. 

Disney movies are notorious for changing the mythology of their stories to suit their purposes. Hercules and The Little Mermaid, for example, are rife with “errors” and changes from their original stories. Grimm’s Fairy Tales have been revamped and retold with variations over and over again (Little Red Riding Hood, to name one). Everyone has a different interpretation of things, and that means variety and creativity, the pillars of fiction. What fun would it be if every zombie movie was the same? If every retelling of Hercules was the same?

But you never see people ragging on movies like 28 Days Later and shows like The Walking Dead for “ruining” the zombie mythos. Why? 1) I guess the horror genre isn’t as ripe for mocking as the ~teen/paranormal romance~ genre (which really makes me start considering hidden hints of misogyny), 2) myths evolve over time, and 3) it’s ENTERTAINMENT. We go to movies and books and TV to escape our crappy, boring reality. Sometimes we want to turn our brains off and just watch shit blow up, without being attached to “BUT X CAN’T DO Y.” 

If you’re going to argue against Twilight, “OMG IT RUINED VAMPIRES” is the weakest, most de-bunkable argument you can make. 

My argument against Twilight:

I wrote better fiction when I was 15. YGO fanfiction. 

And that is not a compliment to myself. :P

Enjoyed reading what everyone had to say, especially Kira’s comparison with the zombies to back her up.

And yeah, at first I was against Stephenie Meyer with changing the vampires, but I’m alright with it now (it makes for some fun jokes) since I do that with a lot of my own writing, changing the myths around into a new facet of the myth of any supernatural beast.

(Which makes you wonder why people don’t jump all over Eric Kripke for interpreting religious lore and supernatural monsters in his -own- show, but okay…)

My argument against Twilight is that the characters, literally, do not exist in a real setting. I have never met any girls like Bella or any boys like Edward (personality wise). Otherwise, side characters—I have met people like that.

I guess the forbidden love thing comes into play here, but Bella also is seen as a role model to a lot of people my age who are in love, which isn’t necesarily a good thing—NOT AT ALL. Would you throw yourself off a cliff or crash a motorcycle to get your ex to come back to you? I don’t know anyone who would, or if they have, they would’ve at least been in counseling by now.

My problem TLDR; the root of the relaistic story seen through the eyes of these characters is lost and ultimately becomes a modern fairy tale, which I wouldn’t have a problem with if I liked the main characters.

idk, guess Twilight is another acquired taste -shrug-

I gave Twilight the best shot I could. I literally acquired all four books and read them one by one. And I went into them with positive expectations, because a lot of my friends had read them and liked them. I…enjoyed the first but facepalmed at a lot of the writing quirks. But I liked the books less and less as the story went on and I was genuinely glad to be done with them once I finished. Breaking Dawn in particular was just ridiculous. :/

Then I saw the first two movies. And they’re very close to the books…and that just reinforced what I hated about them.

Bella is EVERY stereotype of a Mary Sue, and I hate that. That isn’t even considered okay in fanfiction, for heaven’s sake. She’s SO pretty, but oh golly gee whiz, she just DOESN’T think so, and all the boys just fall over her for it. She’s so modest and so mature but oh, don’t worry, she’s flawed. How? Uh. She’s clumsy (<-THAT isn’t THE most overused Mary Sue flaw EVER now, is it? naaaaah). She’s the center of all this drama but ends up being the savior of the world when she magically is able to control her new vampire powers when she should’ve had a period of months or years of being bloodthirsty and wild. Nope, not Special Bella. Oh and she’s way too dependent on Edward and uses Jacob when things go awry but that’s because it’s ~*true love*~.

Edward is supposed to be this all-amazing, caring guy…and his relationship with Bella is disturbing and controlling. Jacob isn’t too great, either.

And again, the writing style is just…so incredibly juvenile that it’s ridiculous. Even a lot of FANS hated Breaking Dawn because THEY felt like it was like reading fanfiction about the Twilight series. (On the note of Breaking Dawn, Doug Walker made a phenomenal point in particular about the whole attitude about the half-vampire baby that I loved; it’s in his ‘normal POV video’ section of Chester A. Bum’s review of it)

One thing I did like in the books was the backstories for the Cullens. Those little bits were neat, and well thought out…to the point where it almost seemed like the story WAS fanfiction and referencing the original material. But maybe that’s just me.

I honestly think the idea had potential. But almost everything was done wrong. And it makes me so irritated when people say it’s better than Harry Potter, because J.K. Rowling is a damn good writer. She thought out every detail, her characters are complex, her storytelling is phenomenal, the point is about something greater than a boyfriend, and NONE of those things are true about the Twilight series. 

I probably wouldn’t hate them as much if so many people didn’t fall head over heels for it, to be honest. I would’ve chalked them up as dumb young adult books and moved on. But the whole CRAZE is something I just don’t understand, and probably never will.